When someone says ‘keep an open mind about it’ to an avid Torah student, then you can almost be sure that what he is talking about, or trying to reveal, is probably man-made rubbish. This seems to be the case when I was told to keep an open mind about the stupid lunar Sabbath doctrine (Yes I said it is stupid because that is exactly what it is!). Are we not to follow truth and fact rather than opinions?
These people claim that there is 1900 different documents proving the lunar sabbath and zero proving the 7 day weekly cycle where the 7th day is the Sabbath (by the way, this statement is utter rubbish!). Well , if these people make this claim, then they certainly have never ever read the Word of YHWH before! Another thing is that they make claims about 1900 documents proving that the Sabbath is determined by the moon cycle, but these people have not been able to produce even one of these so called documents!
Now, if I was confronted with even a million documents speaking of a certain teaching, but the Torah of YHWH says otherwise, who am I going to believe or follow? The million other documents, or the Word of YHWH? I think that this is a no-brainer, I will always choose the Word of the Creator who’s wisdom is greater than everyone and everything! That means that any document that contradicts the Word of YHWH is a false document and the source, or writer, is a liar. Even if a million other people agree with that false document, it still stays false.
Also notice that we are to test everything according to the Torah of YHWH to see if it is right or wrong, just as the Berean’s did when Shaul taught them. They did not just accept the teachings of Shaul, but tested it according to the Torah and the prophets before they accepted his word. Notice that they were noble for doing so.
So let us examine the Torah of YHWH to see if the lunar-sabbath is sound doctrine, or if the 7’th day weekly Sabbath is the Sabbath of YHWH.
Let us start from the beginning:
“Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array (If you read, chapter 1, you will see that His work was done in six days). And on the seventh day Elohim completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made” (Gen 2:1-3).
Now does this section of Scripture ever say anything about the moon phase concerning the Sabbath? Certainly not! In fact, there is no mention of the moon determining the Sabbath throughout the entire Scriptures, as we will see further.
What about when the Israelites had to gather manah for food?
“And it came to be, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Mosheh. And he said to them, “This is what יהוה (YHWH) has said, ‘Tomorrow is a rest, a Sabbath set-apart to יהוה (YHWH). That which you bake, bake; and that which you cook, cook. And lay up for yourselves all that is left over, to keep it until morning.’ ” And they laid it up till morning, as Mosheh commanded. And it did not stink, and no worm was in it. And Mosheh said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to יהוה (YHWH), today you do not find it in the field. “Gather it six days, but on the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, there is none.” (Exodus 16:22-26). Ask yourself again… Is there any mention of the moon here? Or are they to gather the bread for six days, where on the sixth day (preparation day) they gather a double portion, and rest on the Sabbath? Then the cycle begins again!!! I am sure that even the very young children could count to 6 and 7, don’t you?
Now what do the Ten Commandments say about the Sabbath?
“Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart. “Six days you labour, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה (YHWH) your Elohim. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. “For in six days יהוה (YHWH) made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה (YHWH) blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart” (Exodus 20:8-11). Where is the mention of the moon here? If it was so important, I am sure YHWH would have given the instruction to follow the Sabbath according to the moon phase. BUT HE DIDN’T!!! What then did YHWH say? Count six days, which will be the days that you work, and the seventh day you will rest (cease)!
Where does the New Moon day come into all of this, as the lunar-sabbatarians teach? They say that the New Moon day is not counted as a week day! WHAT… that is the most nonsensical thing I have ever heard! If it were true (which it is not), were the Israelites to gather their daily bread on that day too? Then it would not be six days gathering, but rather seven days of gathering (which is NOT what YHWH said and told Mosheh to tell the people!!!). And if they were to rest on that day, would it not have been, rest on the seventh day and the first day too? This is just utter rubbish and not supported by the Word of YHWH!
The more I study the Torah of YHWH, the more absurd the lunar-sabbath doctrine looks!
Shavuot disproves the lunar-sabbath without a doubt!
YHWH probably anticipated (well, He is all knowing) that there were going to be people, in the last days, that would try and deceive the weak into believing the totally false doctrine of the lunar-sabbath. That is why YHWH created the counting of the omer, which completely destroys the false lunar-sabbath doctrine. Let us have a look.
“And from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths. Until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath you count fifty days, then you shall bring a new grain offering to יהוה (YHWH)” (Lev 23:15-16).
Now as you can see, that from the day after the weekly Sabbath that falls within chag Matzot (feast of unleavened bread), that you count 7 complete Sabbaths, and then the day after the 7th Sabbath will be chag Shavuot (feast of weeks). Notice that this count MUST add up to fifty days. Now with the Scriptural 7 day weekly cycle, there are no issues and the count ALWAYS adds up to fifty as required by Torah.
But using the absurd lunar-sabbath, too many issues arise. Now I consider myself to be quite a maths boffin and love doing problem solving. I have spent a lot of time and tried, in many ways, to get the count to Shavuot to be fifty days, using the false lunar-sabbath doctrine. It is just impossible as it has extra days that they claim to not count as week days, but they are days that have to be counted. You see… the lunar-sabbath is utter rubbish and does not fit the requirements of the Torah in any way!
Using the Gregorian calendar to prove when the Sabbath of YHWH is to be kept
Let us now use the pagan Gregorian calendar as a historic witness to when the Sabbath is to be kept. Please note that we do not in any way follow the Gregorian calendar, but are merely using it as a witness to historic events!
Now one thing to remember is that in the days of Yehoshua the Messiah (who kept the correct Sabbath of His Father), the Julian calendar was a 7 day weekly cycle just like we have today.
These people claim that there is 1900 different documents proving the lunar sabbath and zero proving the 7 day weekly cycle where the 7th day is the Sabbath (by the way, this statement is utter rubbish!). Well , if these people make this claim, then they certainly have never ever read the Word of YHWH before! Another thing is that they make claims about 1900 documents proving that the Sabbath is determined by the moon cycle, but these people have not been able to produce even one of these so called documents!
Now, if I was confronted with even a million documents speaking of a certain teaching, but the Torah of YHWH says otherwise, who am I going to believe or follow? The million other documents, or the Word of YHWH? I think that this is a no-brainer, I will always choose the Word of the Creator who’s wisdom is greater than everyone and everything! That means that any document that contradicts the Word of YHWH is a false document and the source, or writer, is a liar. Even if a million other people agree with that false document, it still stays false.
Also notice that we are to test everything according to the Torah of YHWH to see if it is right or wrong, just as the Berean’s did when Shaul taught them. They did not just accept the teachings of Shaul, but tested it according to the Torah and the prophets before they accepted his word. Notice that they were noble for doing so.
So let us examine the Torah of YHWH to see if the lunar-sabbath is sound doctrine, or if the 7’th day weekly Sabbath is the Sabbath of YHWH.
Let us start from the beginning:
“Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their array (If you read, chapter 1, you will see that His work was done in six days). And on the seventh day Elohim completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made” (Gen 2:1-3).
Now does this section of Scripture ever say anything about the moon phase concerning the Sabbath? Certainly not! In fact, there is no mention of the moon determining the Sabbath throughout the entire Scriptures, as we will see further.
What about when the Israelites had to gather manah for food?
“And it came to be, on the sixth day, that they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for each one. And all the rulers of the congregation came and told Mosheh. And he said to them, “This is what יהוה (YHWH) has said, ‘Tomorrow is a rest, a Sabbath set-apart to יהוה (YHWH). That which you bake, bake; and that which you cook, cook. And lay up for yourselves all that is left over, to keep it until morning.’ ” And they laid it up till morning, as Mosheh commanded. And it did not stink, and no worm was in it. And Mosheh said, “Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to יהוה (YHWH), today you do not find it in the field. “Gather it six days, but on the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, there is none.” (Exodus 16:22-26). Ask yourself again… Is there any mention of the moon here? Or are they to gather the bread for six days, where on the sixth day (preparation day) they gather a double portion, and rest on the Sabbath? Then the cycle begins again!!! I am sure that even the very young children could count to 6 and 7, don’t you?
Now what do the Ten Commandments say about the Sabbath?
“Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart. “Six days you labour, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה (YHWH) your Elohim. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. “For in six days יהוה (YHWH) made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore יהוה (YHWH) blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart” (Exodus 20:8-11). Where is the mention of the moon here? If it was so important, I am sure YHWH would have given the instruction to follow the Sabbath according to the moon phase. BUT HE DIDN’T!!! What then did YHWH say? Count six days, which will be the days that you work, and the seventh day you will rest (cease)!
Where does the New Moon day come into all of this, as the lunar-sabbatarians teach? They say that the New Moon day is not counted as a week day! WHAT… that is the most nonsensical thing I have ever heard! If it were true (which it is not), were the Israelites to gather their daily bread on that day too? Then it would not be six days gathering, but rather seven days of gathering (which is NOT what YHWH said and told Mosheh to tell the people!!!). And if they were to rest on that day, would it not have been, rest on the seventh day and the first day too? This is just utter rubbish and not supported by the Word of YHWH!
The more I study the Torah of YHWH, the more absurd the lunar-sabbath doctrine looks!
Shavuot disproves the lunar-sabbath without a doubt!
YHWH probably anticipated (well, He is all knowing) that there were going to be people, in the last days, that would try and deceive the weak into believing the totally false doctrine of the lunar-sabbath. That is why YHWH created the counting of the omer, which completely destroys the false lunar-sabbath doctrine. Let us have a look.
“And from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths. Until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath you count fifty days, then you shall bring a new grain offering to יהוה (YHWH)” (Lev 23:15-16).
Now as you can see, that from the day after the weekly Sabbath that falls within chag Matzot (feast of unleavened bread), that you count 7 complete Sabbaths, and then the day after the 7th Sabbath will be chag Shavuot (feast of weeks). Notice that this count MUST add up to fifty days. Now with the Scriptural 7 day weekly cycle, there are no issues and the count ALWAYS adds up to fifty as required by Torah.
But using the absurd lunar-sabbath, too many issues arise. Now I consider myself to be quite a maths boffin and love doing problem solving. I have spent a lot of time and tried, in many ways, to get the count to Shavuot to be fifty days, using the false lunar-sabbath doctrine. It is just impossible as it has extra days that they claim to not count as week days, but they are days that have to be counted. You see… the lunar-sabbath is utter rubbish and does not fit the requirements of the Torah in any way!
Using the Gregorian calendar to prove when the Sabbath of YHWH is to be kept
Let us now use the pagan Gregorian calendar as a historic witness to when the Sabbath is to be kept. Please note that we do not in any way follow the Gregorian calendar, but are merely using it as a witness to historic events!
Now one thing to remember is that in the days of Yehoshua the Messiah (who kept the correct Sabbath of His Father), the Julian calendar was a 7 day weekly cycle just like we have today.
Now the calendar has not been changed so as to confuse the days of the week. We can be positive that our seventh day is the same day Yehoshua observed when He was here on Earth. Pope Gregory XIII did make a calendar change in 1582, but it did not interfere with the weekly cycle. Our present Gregorian calendar was named after him when he made that small change in 1582.
What did Pope Gregory do to the calendar? Before 1582 the Julian calendar had been in effect, instituted by Julius Ceasar about 46 B.C. and named after him. But the Julian calendar had calculated the length of the year as 365 1/4 days, and the year is actually eleven minutes less than 365 1/4 days. Those eleven minutes accumulated, and by 1582 the numbering of the calendar was ten days out of harmony with the solar system. Gregory simply dropped those ten days out of the numbering of the calendar. It was Thursday, October 4, 1582, and the next day, Friday, should have been October 5. But Gregory made it October 15 instead, dropping exactly ten days to bring the calendar back into harmony with the heavenly bodies.
Were the days of the week confused? No. Friday still followed Thursday, and Saturday still followed Friday. The same seventh day remained, and the weekly cycle was not disturbed in the least. When we keep the seventh day from Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset, we are observing the same day Yehoshua kept, and He did it every week according to Luke 4:16.
Now we know that Yehoshua the Messiah kept the Sabbath on the same day as the Pharisees and the rest of the Jewish people. Now does history show that all the Jewish sects and communities, from the time of the Messiah until now, that they changed the day that they keep the Sabbath? Well, history proves to us that the Jews of today keep the exact same 7th day Sabbath as the Messiah 2000 years ago. To think otherwise is evil and is ignoring these proofs.
You see, all Jewish people, even many who did not learn of other calendars, who were scattered all around the world, ALL agreed on when the Sabbath was when they eventually were able to make contact with other Jews because of the advance of technology, there were non that dissagreed on when the Sabbath was.
Another source that we can use is that of the Muslim calendar, which is about 3,000 years old, where thay faithfull kept the day before the Sabbath as their "holy day", and look, what day do they keep today? It is still the same today as it was 3,000 years ago.
Another argument from the lunar sabbatarians that arises is that because we keep the seventh day (where the Gregorian Saturday just happens to fall upon) as the Sabbath, that we are worshipping Saturn who is a pagan idol. If this were true, then the argument could be the same for them, only worse!!! As their erroneous lunar-sabbath falls on Saturn-day, Sun-day, Moon-day, Tyr’s-day, Woden’s-day, Thor’s-day and Frigga-day. All of which are pagan days. It is a pathetic attempt to discredit YHWH’s Sabbath. YHWH’s seven day week (1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day, 5th day, preparation day and Shabbat) was there long before Julius Caesar and Pope Gregory XIII and their pagan calendars.
Anyone who follows the lunar-sabbath and teaches it to others, is calling the Messiah and His Father liars. These people teach that the Messiah kept the Sabbath on the wrong day. This is an evil teaching and should be thrown in the rubbish bin where it belongs.
Now the moon does have a part in determining time, the sighting of the New Moon indicates the start of a new month (moon), NOT the start of a new week, as we have seen from the above texts.
You can read more about what the lunar-sabbath is all about and where it originates from here.
I hope this evidence opens the eyes of people who are following the lunar-sabbath to repent and turn back to the Scriptural calendar, and for those who are confused by people teaching the evil doctrine of the lunar-sabbath.
What did Pope Gregory do to the calendar? Before 1582 the Julian calendar had been in effect, instituted by Julius Ceasar about 46 B.C. and named after him. But the Julian calendar had calculated the length of the year as 365 1/4 days, and the year is actually eleven minutes less than 365 1/4 days. Those eleven minutes accumulated, and by 1582 the numbering of the calendar was ten days out of harmony with the solar system. Gregory simply dropped those ten days out of the numbering of the calendar. It was Thursday, October 4, 1582, and the next day, Friday, should have been October 5. But Gregory made it October 15 instead, dropping exactly ten days to bring the calendar back into harmony with the heavenly bodies.
Were the days of the week confused? No. Friday still followed Thursday, and Saturday still followed Friday. The same seventh day remained, and the weekly cycle was not disturbed in the least. When we keep the seventh day from Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset, we are observing the same day Yehoshua kept, and He did it every week according to Luke 4:16.
Now we know that Yehoshua the Messiah kept the Sabbath on the same day as the Pharisees and the rest of the Jewish people. Now does history show that all the Jewish sects and communities, from the time of the Messiah until now, that they changed the day that they keep the Sabbath? Well, history proves to us that the Jews of today keep the exact same 7th day Sabbath as the Messiah 2000 years ago. To think otherwise is evil and is ignoring these proofs.
You see, all Jewish people, even many who did not learn of other calendars, who were scattered all around the world, ALL agreed on when the Sabbath was when they eventually were able to make contact with other Jews because of the advance of technology, there were non that dissagreed on when the Sabbath was.
Another source that we can use is that of the Muslim calendar, which is about 3,000 years old, where thay faithfull kept the day before the Sabbath as their "holy day", and look, what day do they keep today? It is still the same today as it was 3,000 years ago.
Another argument from the lunar sabbatarians that arises is that because we keep the seventh day (where the Gregorian Saturday just happens to fall upon) as the Sabbath, that we are worshipping Saturn who is a pagan idol. If this were true, then the argument could be the same for them, only worse!!! As their erroneous lunar-sabbath falls on Saturn-day, Sun-day, Moon-day, Tyr’s-day, Woden’s-day, Thor’s-day and Frigga-day. All of which are pagan days. It is a pathetic attempt to discredit YHWH’s Sabbath. YHWH’s seven day week (1st day, 2nd day, 3rd day, 4th day, 5th day, preparation day and Shabbat) was there long before Julius Caesar and Pope Gregory XIII and their pagan calendars.
Anyone who follows the lunar-sabbath and teaches it to others, is calling the Messiah and His Father liars. These people teach that the Messiah kept the Sabbath on the wrong day. This is an evil teaching and should be thrown in the rubbish bin where it belongs.
Now the moon does have a part in determining time, the sighting of the New Moon indicates the start of a new month (moon), NOT the start of a new week, as we have seen from the above texts.
You can read more about what the lunar-sabbath is all about and where it originates from here.
I hope this evidence opens the eyes of people who are following the lunar-sabbath to repent and turn back to the Scriptural calendar, and for those who are confused by people teaching the evil doctrine of the lunar-sabbath.
So can you please explain just exactly how Ezekiel 46:1-3 comes into play? In these verses it says that New Moon Days & Sabbaths are for worshipping, but the 6 work days it is to be shut. Even more importantly this is authorized by God himself by a 'Thus sayeth the Lord'. So can you please explain what are New Moon Days (plural in verse 3), if they are not one of the 6 working days, nor are they Sabbaths?
ReplyDeleteThe piece of Scripture in Ezekiel 46 does in no way prove a lunar sabbath. Just because the gates are opened for the new moon, does not mean that it is not one of the six working days. This happens once a month and whatever day it falls on, whether on one of the six working days or on the 7th day Sabbath, the gates are opened for that occurrence.
ReplyDeleteIn fact, if your statement were true that the new moon was a separate day to the six days word, then it must be a rest day. This is a direct contradiction to the Torah of YHWH. We know this because in Exodus 40:1, 2 and 17 we read: “And YHWH spake unto Moses, saying, On the first day of the first month shall you set up the tabernacle of the tent of the congregation… And it came to pass in the first month in the second year, on the first day of the month, that the tabernacle was reared up.”
If every new moon day is a Sabbath or a day of no work, why does YHWH command Zerubbabel to gather wood and build the temple upon the first day of the month? (Haggai 1:1, 2, 8, 12).
If every new moon day is a day of rest, why do we not find any command to rest upon it (with the exception of the Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah), which falls on the new moon of the 7th month)? Shouldn't we find it listed as a Sabbath among the appointed times of Leviticus 23? What explanation can be given to the fact that nowhere in Scripture is the command to cease from labor upon the new moon day, or upon the extra days that fall out each month?
It is just so clear that the lunar sabbath is not supported by Scripture! Even history proves the seven day weekly cycle and that Yehoshua the Messiah kept the weekly 7th day Sabbath.
Why can’t you explain the count to Shavuot with your silly lunar-sabbath, or any of the other evidence that the normal 7 day weekly cycle is the true calendar of YHWH? In order to try justify the lunar-sabbath, you have to pick certain verses and twist them out of context just as you have done with Ezekiel.
The Muslim calendar is 100% lunar
DeleteWhat is your issue about Lunar Sabbaths? Who even said those words? You mentioned them, not me! I simply said what scripture says, New Moon Days. Do you live you whole life by making assumptions? Is that how you treat Gods Words - with disdain?
ReplyDeleteClearly New Moon Days/Feasts are different from Sabbaths, or the other '6 working days', otherwise God would have just mentioned 'working days' without tying working days to being (6). Now Gods says that other special holy days which do not fall on regular Sabbath Days are actually to be treated as a Sabbath Day. But New Moon Days arent one of those days. 1 Samuel 20:5 suggests New Moon feasts celebrate the first day of the month simply because 1 Samuel 20:27 considers the next day to be the 2nd day of the month.
Now in Psalm 89:35-37 God swears by His holiness that the moon is established as a faithful witness in the sky forever. Now what is the moon a faithful witness to in the calendar which is used today? The moon represents nothing, in fact most people dont even have a clue about moon phases, so what is its significance? Why was it so important to God? Psalm 10:19 suggest the moon is for seasons. What season? Well its plural, and it phases cycle at least 12 times per year, so its a safe assumption to accept what 1 Samuel 20:5 suggests - its the first day of a month and its a day of worship because its not one of the 6 working days, just as the Sabbath isnt one of the 6 working days.
Is it a day of rest liek the Sabbath? No! As your verses indicate, and also Ezra 7:9, but Amos 8:5 indicates that its not a day for commerce either. SO its a special day in many ways as evidenced in 1 Chronicles 23:31 ans also Numbers 10:10, but its not a Sabbath day of rest either.
So its for us to get our head around the evidence which God has laid down in scripture. Some may choose to dismiss the New Moon Day, but it seems too important to God because Isaiah 66:23 suggests that it will be important in the future also. So we are charged with working out the truth of how the New Moon Day fits in with the rest of the Creators Calendar of 6 working Days and Sabbaths. I cannot yet explain how Pentecost is calculated either, but I havent given up on the New Moon Day. But I havent twisted anything from Ezekiel as you have falsely accused!
Steve… I do not make assumptions and neither did I make one in the above comment. The article is all about the lunar-sabbath being false, and you were contesting me about it. To say that I was making an assumption because you did not mention it is false and childish trickery. I do not follow the lunar-sabbath doctrine because I do not make assumptions, as the it is based purely upon false assumptions.
ReplyDeleteYes the Rosh Chodesh (New Moon) is different from the Sabbath, but can fall upon any of the 6 working days or upon the 7th day Sabbath. There is no contradiction with that.
Let us talk about one of your many assumption that you made. You say that the New Moon day is a feast day, where is that written in Scripture? There is nowhere in the Scriptures that indicate that the New Moon is a chag (feast). It is hypocritical of you to say that I make assumptions whereas you are the one doing so.
Yes, the New Moon is important and we all have to observe it in order to keep the Scriptural calendar. The New Moon indicates the start of a new month. If we do not observe it, then we will not know when the mo’edim (appointed times of YHWH) are. But it certainly does not indicate the start of a new week, and it certainly does not determine when the Sabbath is going to be.
Your Quote: “so its a safe assumption to accept what 1 Samuel 20:5 suggests - its the first day of a month and its a day of worship because its not one of the 6 working days, just as the Sabbath isnt one of the 6 working days.” Here you even admit that you are assuming and once again it is a false assumption. Yes it is the first day of the month, but it can fall on one of the six working days or the Sabbath. How long does it take to observe the New Moon? Well, if you understand the working of the moon, it should not take more than half and hour, and is never during work hours. Also, having a meal at the table… is that not like every evening meal? And how long does it take to blow a ram’s horn?
To assume that Amos 8:5 teaches us that we are not to partake in commerce is also a false assumption and is not supported by the rest of Scripture.
Yes the New Moon is important, it is the first day of the month, and without it, we will not be able to determine when Pesach, Matzot, Shavuot, Yom Teruah, Yom Kippur, Sukkot and Simchat Torah are. It is very important, and to not observe it is transgressing the Torah of YHWH. It also had its own sacrifices just as the Sabbath had its own sacrifices. And when the New Moon fell on a Sabbath, then both sacrifices had to be performed.
Also, can you explain to me why the Messiah kept the 7th day Sabbath according to the 7 day weekly cycle (as proven in the article above)? Now this cannot be attested because it is factually documented in many historic books and encyclopedias. I will rather choose to keep the same Sabbath as the Messiah as I am pretty sure he kept the correct Sabbath according to His Father in heaven.
By the way… I have not given up on the New Moon day either… I just observe it in its correct context.
Also... where is it written that the New Moon day is a day of worship, as you claim it to be?
ReplyDeleteHi David, lets face it, you have exactly the same problem if you dont consider New Moon Day as a unique day, and I will tell you why it must be so. If the first month of Abib doesnt start with New Moon Day, and the next day isn't the 1st of the 6 working days before a Sabbath, then you cannot calculate Pentecost by using the Leviticus 23:15 formula of the day after 7 Sabbaths. Unless the 15th Day of Abib is always a 7th Day Sabbath, the following 7 Sabbath count will alwasy fall short of 49 days, so the day after can never be the fiftieth day. As you know, Leviticus 23:15 says that Pentecost count starts on the day of the wave sheath offering of First Fruits, so if the 16th day of Abib is anything but the first day of the week, then Pentecost cannot be the day after 7 Sabbaths, especially using your own calendar which you and the rest of the world have so conveniently dreamed up to suit yourselves.
ReplyDeleteSo your position is even more fraught with potential miscalculations, than those who contend for a New Moon Day to restart the 7 day count. So it would mean that the only way to count 50 is to ignore Gods direct instruction of counting seven Sabbaths, and then the next day after the last of the seven Sabbaths. Instead people must falsely assume that God simply intended to count only 50 days, where in fact He said count seven Sabbaths and then the day after the last of the 7 Sabbaths is the day of Pentecost. God gave this command for a reason, so that we would know how His Calendar worked.
Whilst I'm not contending for a Lunar Sabbath or a New Moon Sabbath, I have more evidence to suggest that New Moon Day resets the weekly count. Just think about this for a minute; Numbers 33:3 The Israelites set out from Rameses on the fifteenth day of the first month, the day after the Passover. They marched out boldly in full view of all the Egyptians. Deuteronomy 16:1 Observe the month of Abib and celebrate the Passover of the LORD your God, because in the month of Abib he brought you out of Egypt by night. So they killed the lamb in the evening of the 14th Day, put the blood on the sides and top of the doorway, then they were instructed to roast the lamb and consume it all before dawn or burn the remians, and they werent allowed out of the house until morning. Then still being the 14th Day, they started packing all their equipment, livestock, and jewellery ready to depart in the evening. The evening came and now its the 15th of Abib, but its also going to be a FULL MOON because how else could they be led out by night in the full view of the Egyptians? The Creators calendar was designed so that the night of the 15th of Abib would alwasy be a Full Moon.
So hence the ROSH CHODESH cannot fall on any day of the week as you have incorrectly assumed, otherwise we cannot calculate the day of Pentecost (FEAST OF WEEKS) as being the day after the seventh Sabbath as indicated in Leviticus 23:16. ROSH CHODESH for ABIB cannot be any of the 6 working days, nor a Sabbath Day, otherwise the count simply will NEVER work.
Perhaps that why some of the Lunar-Solar Calendar keepers refer to the New Moon as a special day, because it cannot be any of the 6 days or a Sabbath day - otherwise Feast of Weeks cannot be calculated properly, nor can Pentecost be on the day after the 7th Sabbath.
Amos 8:5 implies that New Moons and Sabbaths were not appreciated by certain sects amongst the israelites, because they couldnt enter into commerce on those days. Can you show me 'the rest of scripture' which shows people doing commerce on New Moon Day or the first day of a month?
ReplyDeleteSteve, you are trampling the fourth commandment underfoot.
DeleteYour comment sounds very impressive, but it is 100% wrong.
ReplyDeleteLet us see what constitutes the count to Shavuot, The Scripture teaches us: “And from the morrow after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, you shall count for yourselves: seven completed Sabbaths. Until the morrow after the seventh Sabbath you count FIFTY DAYS, then you shall bring a new grain offering to יהוה (YHWH)” (Lev 23:15-16).
So what the Scripture is saying here is that we are to start the counting of the omer from the Sabbath that falls in the feast of unleavened bread (Matzot).
Now something that you can’t pick up in the English bibles, is that the 15th of Aviv, which is the start of chag Matzot (feast of unleaven bread), is NOT a Sabbath. None of the moedim, other than those in the seventh moon, are not Sabbaths. It is very clear in the Hebrew Scriptures though. Read here to see the proof: http://scripturaltruth101.blogspot.com/2011/07/when-does-count-to-shavuot-begin.html.
So fact is that the count to Shavuot starts from the day after the WEEKLY Sabbath that falls within chag Matzot. After 7 complete Sabbaths the day after is Shavuot and ALWAYS adds up to 50 days.
No matter how hard you try, using the lunar-sabbath, you will never get to counting 50 days to Shavuot. It is impossible and does not meet the requirements of the Torah of YHWH.
I have never incorrectly assumed that the 15th day of Aviv is full moon. I will declare that the 15th day of every month is a full moon. I have never denied that. This is because the New moon is the start of a new Month, not new week. The opening festival of Matzot which falls on the 15th day of Aviv is NOT a Sabbath (read link I gave above). This alone disproves the idea that the moon cycle determines the Sabbath.
Just remember who is making the assumptions here. (like, the opening feast of Matzot is a sabbath, you should rather look at the facts instead)
Concerning Amos 8:5, Was not the 1st day of the seventh moon being spoken of here? where there is no commerce done on that specific day as it is a Sabbath day, the only Appointed time of YHWH that falls on the first day of a moon. Please show me anywhere else in Scripture where they abstained from commerce on a new moon day
ReplyDeleteAmos 8:5 was an indication of God reading the hearts and minds of men. He wasnt very happy that during His appointed days of worship, that the israelites would be seething under their breath because they couldnt do commerce on New Moon Days or on the Sabbath Days. Can you show me the reference in scripture to Amos 8:5 being the seventh moon, or is it just another of your assumptions? Can you show me anywhere in scripture where they did commerce on the First Day of a month?
ReplyDeleteThe life & death of Christ was a reinforcement of the Creator reminding us of His appointed times. Christ came at a time when the Romans were actively trying to push the Julian Calendar upon the whole world. They were trying to change the Creators appointed times of worship. Christ came to confirm the covenant so that His chosen people wouldnt be led astray.
Christ came to eat the Passover Feast with His disciples as mentioned in Luke 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer: So after this Passover meal, Christ was taken captive later that evening and His suffering began. That evening was the 14th Day of Abib or Aviv as you prefer. So his crucifiction was the next day and He died before Sabbath. So thats when Joseph requested Christs body because the Sabbath (15th) was approaching. So then Joseph & Nicodemus prepared Jesus body with 75lbs of ointment and fine strips of linen and they finished their work and sealed the opening of the tomb just before the Sabbath dawned (sunrise).
According to the Creators Calendar, it was almost a Full Moon the night of Christs betrayal in the garden, and the nest day 15th was a Sabbath as ALWAYS in His Calendar. Christ rose on the first day of the week as the sunrise approached. Chrsit was the Firstfruits and it announced the beginning of the countdown to 50 days for the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came upon all the disciples who were gathered in their residence waiting for it. Pentecost is always on the first day of the week after the last of the 7th Sabbaths. Its not a Sunday or Monday or any other day, because those names werent given by the Creator. His days are numbered and those numbers always began with New Moon Day as told in 1 Smauel 20:5, then folowed by 6 work days and then a 7th Day Sabbath.
Calculating by any other means will not give you the proper days, and no amount of slight of hand or supposed interpretation will yield another system which can work. Its the very reason why the Creator states that the moon is established as the faithful witness forever. We worship Him on those days simply because He has the power to reset the daily count at the beginning of New Moons. Its the only thing which connects every facet of worship on His appointed days to the true Creator.
Those who refuse to accept and adapt their thoughts to His Lunar-Solar calendar, (which includes reseting the start of days after New Moon Day each month), then they unwittingly cause Daniel 7:25 to come true.
Steve, you are deceiving us as you're contradicting Exodus 20:8-11.
Delete"Weeks" is Hebrew is "Shabu'oth (שָׁבוּעוֹת)" which is made by pluralizing "Shabu'ah? (שָׁבוּעַה)" which is the feminized form of "Shabu'a (שָׁבוּעַ)" which is passive participle of "Shaba (שָׁבעַ)", which comes from "Sh-B-A? (ש-ב-ע)" which mean "Seven" and make an oath". Thus, Shabu'oth is determined by adding a day to seven periods which have seven days (which is forty-nine days). I have refuted the lunar Shabbath.
DeleteSteve, the day of the Shabbath is never found out by the Moon.
DeleteNow to understand why it says that the 15th of Aviv, the day after the death of Yehoshua, was a Sabbath, you have to understand the teachings of the Pharisees (who are the Rabbi’s of today). They teach that the opening festival of Matzot (feast of unleavened bread), which falls on the 15th of Aviv, is a Sabbath. Also notice that according to the Torah of YHWH, it is NOT a Sabbath. Who are you going to listen to?
ReplyDeleteNow notice who requested that the bodies not remain on the stake as it is a ‘high sabbath’. Oh yes… it is the Yehudim (Pharisees) who ask that their legs be broken. Even today, the Rabbinical Jews call the first day of Matzot, which is on the 15th of Aviv, as a Sabbath, just like they did at the death of the Messiah.
This is why the Rabbinic’s keep the wrong day for Shavuot, as they start counting the Omer from the wrong day, which they believe to be a Sabbath, but is not. According to the Torah, Shavuot will always be on the first day of the week, where the Gregorian, Sun-day, just happens to fall on.
If your theory, Steve, was correct (which it is not), then how is it possible that the Messiah died just before a “Sabbath” and was resurrected THREE DAYS LATER at the end of a Sabbath, which was the third day after the death of the Messiah (which was the 7th day Sabbath, which fell on the 17th day of Aviv)?
“And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Magdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya’aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him. And very early on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen. And they said among themselves, “Who shall roll away the stone from the entrance of the tomb for us?” And looking up, they saw that the stone had been rolled away, for it was extremely large.” (Mar 16:1-4)
Please explain that contradiction of yours.
Again, regarding Amos 8:5… Is it not an assumption that it was not the 1st day of the 7th moon? Please show me anywhere else where anyone abstained from commerce on the new moon day. I can show you many places where work was done on the New Moon day.
Steve… you are clearly twisting Scripture to suite yourself!!! This is evil and the lunar-sabbath is evil and turns people away from keeping YHWH’s Sabbath’s.
Let us touch on another topic quick… What happens when a month is 30 days long? What happens to the extra day that is between your lunar-sabbath and the new moon. You guys call it a conjunction day. It causes there to be 8 full days between sabbath’s , I can’t see how that is called a seventh day Sabbath according to the Scriptures. Where does it speak of the conjuction day in Scripture? Oh wait it doesn’t… it is a curve ball and a half which disproves the loony lunar-sabbath.
To be honest Steve… I have proven, according to the Scriptures, that every statement that you have made supporting the lunar-sabbath is false and based purely on false assumptions. I have also proven with absolute fact that the weekly 7 day cycle is the true Scriptural calendar week, where you cannot deny the facts.
If you come to the realization that the lunar-sabbath is not Scriptural, are you willing to repent of it and follow the true 7th day Sabbath?
(By the way... where in 1 Samuel 20:5 does it say that 6 days work follows the New moon day? Is that not an assumption from your part? a very false assumption if I may add)!!!!!!
Steve, "Saturday" within the Hebrew language is "Yom Shabbath (יוׄם שַׁבָּת)" which comes from the noun "Yom (יוׄם)" which means "day" since it (he) comes from "Yam (יָם)" which means "sea" since day is "the Time between setting of the sun over the sea" and the name "Shabbath (שַׁבָּת)", which means "Shabbath" since it is the doubled form of "Shabat (שָׁבַת)" which means "stop labouring". Thus, Saturday is Yahweh's day of the Shabbath. Read the fourth commandment which is the best watermark of Judaism as it is in Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12-15, Isaiah 56:2-4, The gospel according to Saint Matthiew 12:1-14, Acts 18:4-5, Hebrews 4:9-12 and so on. Thank you!
DeleteLunar Shabbatharianism is a false doctrine which is invading the HRM.
DeleteThose who celebrate the Sabbath from the eve of Friday to the eve of Saturday after labouring in six days are following the right path, which is outlined in the fourth commandment.
DeleteJust a thought... Was the Messiah in the grave for three days and three nights?
ReplyDelete“For as Yonah was three days and three nights in the stomach of the great fish, so shall the Son of Adam be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Mat 12:40) Does that add up to 72 hours? or is that assumptive?
The Scripture clearly indicates a full 3 days and 3 nights which will always add up to 72 hours!!! To think otherwise, will by idiotic!!!
Look at what Steve said about my previous comment:
(START OF STEVE'S COMMENT)
"Read the 4 Gosepls over and over, In it you will discover that Christ was not in the grave for 72hrs as you have falsely assumed....
1Corinthians 15:3-4 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: So He (Christ) was killed on the first day 14th Passover), rested in the grave the second day (15th = sabbath), and rose on the third day (16th Firstfruits). What about that is so hard to understand? And I suppose that you conveniently just dismiss as conicidence"
(END OF STEVE'S COMMENT)
Once again... I am going to quote one of the Gospels “For as Yonah was three days and three nights in the stomach of the great fish, so shall the Son of Adam be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Mat 12:40)So do the Scriptures also falsely assume that the Messiah was in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights?
Clearly Steve is the one who needs to study the Scriptures.
(I have not published Steve's last comment as he refuses to accept certain facts and speaks blasphemy about the Word of YHWH. I have shown you some of what Steve has said above, and as you can see, it is 100% contradictory to the Scriptures.
Steve, I will not publish rubbish here)
Lunar shabbath was fabricated by Jonathan David Brown. It says that "Those who observe Shabbath from the eve of Friday till the eve of Saturday after labouring in 6 days are worshipping Saturn".
DeleteI have now stopped Steve from commenting here because he continues to ignore factual evidence and refuses to (or should I say can’t) answer my questions, but rather blasphemes the Torah of YHWH. Let us quickly sum up what Steve ignored or could not answer or just plainly twisted out of context.
ReplyDelete1) Steve refuses to accept the truth that the first day of Matzot (which is on the 15th day of Aviv) is NOT a Sabbath as Scripture very clearly states. I have written an entire blog post on this subject and Steve just refuses to accept the truth! You can read the blog post at:
http://scripturaltruth101.blogspot.com/2011/07/when-does-count-to-shavuot-begin.html
2) Steve says that the Messiah was not in the grave for 3 days and 3 nights and rose on the third day, as stated in Scripture. (Matthew 12:40)
3) Steve wrongly assumes that the New Moon day cannot fall on one of the 6 working days or even the Sabbath sometimes.
4) Steve also falsely assumes that the new moon day is not a day of commerce. But Scripture clearly shows that there was work done on many new moon days (Exodus 40:1, 2 and 17, Haggai 1:1, 2, 8, 12 etc.). There is one specific new moon where there should be no commerce, it is the seventh new moon which is Yom Teruah (Feast of Trumpets) which is a Shabbaton (Sabbath). Could Amos 8:5 be speaking of this specific New Moon and not all new moons?
5) Steve, nor anyone else, can explain to me how the count to Shavuot works, according to the lunar-sabbath, so that it adds up to 50 days as required by the Torah. The lunar-sabbath does not match the Scriptural requirements.
6) Steve forgets that in Genesis 1:14 that both the Moon AND THE SUN are for signs for the moedim (appointed times) What is the Sun a sign for then? Is it not to indicate when the day is? And a week by the amount of days? “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart. Six days you labour, and shall do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of יהוה (YHWH) your Elohim. You do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. “FOR IN SIX DAYS יהוה (YHWH) MADE THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY. Therefore יהוה (YHWH) blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart” (Exodus 20:8-11)
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Steve is slandering the Jews as he says that,
Delete"The Jews bow down to Saturn since they observe the Shabbath on the seventh day of the week after completing their works in six days".
YHWH (יהוה) is not Saturn.
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ReplyDelete7) Steve again falsely assumes without any Scriptural basis that the new moon resets the weekly count, as in the renewal of the week. This is not supported anywhere in Scripture. The New moon does indicate the start of a new month, but certainly not the reset of the week. If that were so, then every single month of the year would either be 28 days (4 x 7) or 29 days (4 x 7 + New moon day (hypothetically)) long, but they are not, we do have 30 day months, which throws the false theory about the moon determining the renewal of the week, which brings me to my next point.
8) No one has been able to explain to me the fact that there is a day 30 in some months, which according to the people who follow the lunar-sabbath, is a ‘conjunction day’. I am terribly sorry, but I have never read anywhere in the Entire Scriptures about a conjunction day or extra day or anything of that kind. If it were so, then there would be 8 physical days between certain Sabbaths instead of 6 physical days, making it a ninth day sabbath instead of YHWH 7th day sabbath. It is purely a man made idea that has absolutely no Scriptural backing.
9) Steve falsely assumes that the New Moon day is a day on its own, that the entire day is dedicated to celebrating the rosh chodesh (New Moon).
The new moon can fall on any of the six working days or on the 7th day Sabbath, Which does not contradict the Scripture in any way, but is rather supported by Scripture.
10) Steve falsely assumes that the Rosh Chodesh) New Moon day, is a chag (feast day). Steve, please show me where the Scriptures teach us that, as it is not supported by Scripture but rather falsely assumed.
11) Steve falsely assumes that 1 Samuel 20:5 shows us that the new moon day is a day of worship because it is not one of the 6 working days. I am sorry, but I have read that verse and the whole chapter over and over and I cannot see where it says that the new moon is not on one of the 6 working days, nor can I see that it is a day of worship from that verse. Steve is clearly very creative in his false assumptions.
12) Oh dear… I just saw that Steve, once again, falsely assumes that the start of a new calendar day begins at sunrise. This too is a perverted false doctrine that goes against the Word of YHWH. See link to proof thereof:
http://scripturaltruth101.blogspot.com/2011/06/false-doctrine-no1-when-is-start-of-new.html
13) Steve again falsely assumes that what the Pharisees called a high sabbath, really was a high sabbath. Did the Messiah not rebuke the Pharisees because of the traditions of their fathers, which contradicted the Torah of YHWH? The Pharisees (Rabbinical Judaism) still teaches that the opening festival of Matzot (Feast of Unleavened Bread), which falls on the 15th of Aviv, is a sabbath. This is actually false according to the Torah of YHWH. Again you can read it here:
http://scripturaltruth101.blogspot.com/2011/07/when-does-count-to-shavuot-begin.html
Who are you going to follow? The Pharisees, or the Word of YHWH?
14) I now know why Steve is not agreeing with the Scriptures. He is following “God” who is pagan (just like the lunar-sabbath doctrine), whereas I am following YHWH!
I truly hope that you come to the realization of the truth according to the Word of YHWH and stop following the teachings of men.
David, thank you for debunking the lunar Shabbath.
DeleteDavid, you are 100% correct.
DeleteIn the Judaic calendar, how many days make up a month are precalculated by Rabbis and Hillayil II. So, the high Shabbaths might either fall within one+ days before or after the correct day.
The 4th month of the Hebrew calendar is named after Dumuzi, which is a Babylonian power. Thus, the Jewish calendar was created through Hillayil II in 359 AD.
One TRUE (not Gregorian) month is determined by sighting the visible crescent. This practice was done by the Jews before 359 AD and is done by Muslims from the 7th century.
DeleteHi, David, Steve is criticizing the Bible. I am on your side.
DeleteI like the title to this article. The lunar based sabbath is not scripturally compliant. Underlying mahthematical scripture systems make certain of this. What is worse than lunar sabbath? How about using lunar sabbath, full moon based start of month, and sunrise start of day - COMBINED. Some actually do this and will even start their year as late as the end of May. Nothing like breaking every rule and then claiming to be the truly asset apart ones. No thanks
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, what you said is 100% correct.
DeleteAnonymous, you are correct.
DeleteSome messianics and black Hebrew Yisra"elites
(Yisera"ayilim) teach that Sabbath is counted via the moon, days begin and end whenever the sun rises and months begin at the full moon. So, they begin their years on May 31st and claim to be set apart ones (which is "Qadoshim" in Hebrew).
We must study the Tanach for being approved by Yahweh. However, the Sabbath is not decided by the moon, days begin and end when the sun sets and the Hebraic months start, when the crescent is sighted (A sidenote: Before Hillel II devised the Jewish calendar in 358 AD / 359 AD, Yisra"elites began months thru sighting the crescents. Then, the Muslims begin months by sighting crescents).
Whenever we observe the Quranic calendar, we see that the Muslim people replaced observing the Shabbath with observing the sixth day of the week at "day of gathering".
ReplyDeleteSo, the Quranic calendar disproves the lunar-Shabbath.
Lunar sabbath was made up by Jonathan David Brown who was inspired by Fredrich Delitzsch who came from Franz Delitzsch who wrote Keil & Delitzsch commentary on the Bible which defended it and whose parents were Ashkenazi Jews (ones who observe the Shabbath from the eve of Friday to eve of Saturday after performing all creative businesses from the first day to the sixth day).
ReplyDeleteBut, Fredrich Delitzsch claimed that those who observe the Shabbath on the seventh day of the week after they perform creative labours within six days are following a Babylonian custom; that the name of YHWH appears in Babylonian texts; that Jewish monotheism was a lesser expression of a noble Babylonian concept; that the Old Testaments is fairytales; that Yeshua is not Hebrew and so on.
Read "Babel and Bible" which was created by Fredrich Delitzsch. In fact, it was the Babylonians who observed their "Sabattus" on the 1st day, 8th day, 15th day, 22nd day and 29th day of ALL moons. Fredrich Delitzsch was against the Torah. So, the lunar sabbath is Babylonian.